Anyone else think this is total BS?

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Why do you think they can do that? You can't just stop what you are. You can't wake up and choose to stop being straight can you? And what's with the "public bathroom", do you think that all/most have sex in public or public places? LMAO

Did you CHOOSE to be straight? No you didn't. You were born straight, just like they were born gay.

It's your opinion that it's a sin and not normal, but sin doesn't apply to us all and it's proven fact that it normally happens in nature. Take religion out of the picture and it makes perfect sense that its something you're born with. Just like most things with religion, the argument that its a choice is not backed up by any facts...it's "God says so", a God that can't be proven to exist in the place says it's wrong so it has to be fact. They're born gay and yes equating them to blacks is just the same. The sin argument is ridiculous, how is it any worse than any other sin? I'd really like to know, because it's not even mentioned in the Ten Commandments and Jesus never talks about it...you would think a little more emphasis would have been put on it since it's spoken of as this terrible sin. Yet, NOTHING in the commandments or from Jesus.


Do I seriously need to list the beatings and murders of gays/lesbians for the past few decades? You do realize that the Klan has murdered them too? They've been murdered/beaten by police officers, klan, christian loonies JUST LIKE BLACKS have been. The same argument was used against blacks marrying white then, it's "immoral and not natural". They do things in the bedroom differently, so what? How does that affect your life the least bit? How does anyones sex life affect your life? It doesn't and that is the only thing that is "different" from me or you. I really can't see why it's an issue at all or why they don't have the same rights and why they've been treated that cruelly, it's purely bigotry.

And to wildcat, you don't feel sorry for them because it's a choice? Okay, lets use that logic elsewhere. "I don't feel sorry for the 6 million Jews that were murdered because they weren't born jewish, they chose to be jewish." See how dumb that sounds?

Just to throw this out there IF sexuail orentaton is not somethin that is choosen but geneticly part o thr being should it b treated asa geniti disorder i.e. 20 years fro now a parnt has genetic testing done on there 5 year old to test for gnetic disorders and the "gay" marker is found how ethical is it to have that issue resoved like any other disorder?.................Part 2 is pedfilaa choose or are there some "born" wit that inclanation


I am not makeina udgement one way or the other just watig t move he argument t anothe level

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Just to throw this out there IF sexuail orentaton is not somethin that is choosen but geneticly part o thr being should it b treated asa geniti disorder i.e. 20 years fro now a parnt has genetic testing done on there 5 year old to test for gnetic disorders and the "gay" marker is found how ethical is it to have that issue resoved like any other disorder?.................Part 2 is pedfilaa choose or are there some "born" wit that inclanation


I am not makeina udgement one way or the other just watig t move he argument t anothe level

Well it's already not approved of anyway, just recently proven to not work....

Psychologists repudiate gay-to-straight therapy - Yahoo! News

More proof of it not being a choice.

You have to see it as a problem, which it's not unless looked at from a religious standpoint. Being gay won't kill you, make your cholesterol go up, cause cancer etc. etc. You would have to see it as a problem for you to be willing to fix it and there would actually have to be a way to 'fix' genetics.

Second question, I don't know what causes that...mental illness probably, you can have a family history of mental illness or it can develop over time depending what problems trigger it. So, that's a really hard question to answer. There's a huge difference though, one is a threat to society and one isn't.

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Well it's already not approved of anyway, just recently proven to not work....

Psychologists repudiate gay-to-straight therapy - Yahoo! News

More proof of it not being a choice.

You have to see it as a problem, which it's not unless looked at from a religious standpoint. Being gay won't kill you, make your cholesterol go up, cause cancer etc. etc. You would have to see it as a problem for you to be willing to fix it and there would actually have to be a way to 'fix' genetics.

I never said it was in there head (Something a Psychologist can do anyhing bout) I said geans and if that is the case then ge therpy would work (our bodys are nothing but big chemical computers that will o as they are rogramed i.e. o choise in sex orenation)

As for being gay not killing you I agree to apoint but Homosexualyin the population (just like leftys) have on avg a shorter lifespan (many theorys as to why that is)

What I am asking is should parents be able in the fucture to correct that genetic disorder/varenance? (I would compare it to having a child that is deaf (which is also non life threaning) that could hav that issue resolved with colcular implants)

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I hear ya Counts, except for THIS part:

What I am asking is should parents be able in the fucture to correct that genetic disorder/varenance? (I would compare it to having a child that is deaf (which is also non life threaning) that could hav that issue resolved with colcular implants)

You see it as a disorder/variance. Gay people don't. Does this mean that if gene therapy is available to a gay couple using a surrogate mother to get a child, that if they want, they could use gene therapy to ensure the child is born gay, not straight which to them is a "disorder/variance"?

Gene therapy to fix and/or manipulate things a certain way is a slippery slope brother. Not everyone's view of "normal" is the same. So, who decides? Pretty dicey from there.

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Gene therapy to fix and/or manipulate things a certain way is a slippery slope brother. Not everyone's view of "normal" is the same. So, who decides? Pretty dicey from there.

I agree with you which is why I used the deaf example ince my couson and his considers that to be normal however it is also somethng that many see as somethng than needs to be fixed for quality of life and is also not life threating.


SO getting back to the organal arument If there were a gene theropy avalable should a parent have a right to "fix" there 5 year old or to mak things more fun how bout fixing the issue in the womb since it has been establised that the fetus is an extention of the mother? (This could go eaithe way in that gay children could be the order of the day)